This 2013 conversation with artist and Professor of contemporary drawing Richard Talbot, explores the intersections of linear perspective, diagrammatic drawing, and scientific thought. The dialogue traverses the history of the "Unmoved Onlooker," the structural potential of the blank page, and the tension between mathematical systems and intuitive creation in contemporary art.

Since 1986, artist Mark Manders has been creating a 'self-portrait as a building,' treating his entire body of work as a single, evolving architectural space. We explore how he uses the diagram as a tool to organize his thoughts, creating laboratory-like sculptures that blend subjective poetry with objective science.